YOU A TURTLE?
Many members of America's great fraternal organizations, such as the Shriners,
Masons, Elks, and American Legionnaires, are familiar with that age-old query,
"Are you a Turtle?" Sometimes, one sees a green-shelled turtle lapel
pin or tie tac, or even an auto decal with a grinning turtle asking the same
question. But what or who are the Turtles, you ask?
Quite simply, the Turtles are a drinking fraternity that exists in the United
States of America as a fun-and-honor group usually within the local lodge or
post, sort of a side degree. It traces its honorable origins back to the
Second World War, on January 12, 1943 in an English pub, when a group of fighter pilots formed a semisecret drinking
fraternity among its squadron's members, and put prospective candidates for
membership through a mock initiation.
Having no dues nor initiation fee, the Turtles simply ask new members to go
out and recruit new members.
The initiation normally takes place in a bar or social quarters of the lodge
or post after the organization's business meeting has been conducted. The
Turtles approach the prospective candidate and solemnly ask him (or her) if
they wish to join the "Ancient Order of Turtles,"
"International Turtles Association," "Turtle Club,"
"Ancient and Honorable Order of Turtles," or any other title that
the local branch is affiliated with. There are at least twelve different
branches of Turtles in America, but all adhere to the same sign, passwords,
grip and initiation format.
If the candidate agrees to join the Turtles, they are taken to a side room or
private area where the initiation can be conducted in relative privacy.
A circle is formed around the candidate by the Turtles present, and no
outsiders are permitted to observe the initiation. The candidate is advised
that they are about to join an honorable drinking fraternity composed of
ladies and gentlemen of the highest morals and good character, ladies and
gentlemen who are never vulgar. It is assumed by the Turtles that the
candidate also owns a donkey of a sweet and kindly disposition (the
explanation of this cryptic inquiry is given to the candidate after they're
This being explained to the candidate, they are then asked by the presiding
officer, often referred to as a "Grand Turtle," "Imperial
Turtle," Grand Snapper," or "His Shellness," if he is
willing to submit to the initiation of the fraternity, and answer "The
Four Sublime Questions." If the candidate agrees to answer the questions,
he is then informed that there are penalties and rewards, both of which are in
the eye of the beholder. Four (4) drinks of the candidate's choice are then
purchased. Every Turtle present has a drink of their choice in their hand.
The presiding officer advises the candidate, "If you fail to answer the
question correctly, or with vulgarity, you must drink one of the four drinks
we have placed before you. If you answer the question correctly, with dignity,
all of us present must take a drink. Either way, it's a win-win
If the candidate answers one of The Four Sublime Questions incorrectly, all
hoot and demand him to "Drink, candidate!" After he has drank his
beverage, he is advised of the correct answer, which is never vulgar. And the
1. I am a protrusion that comes in many sizes. When I'm not well,
I drip. When you blow me, you feel good. What am I?
2. I'm spread before I'm eaten. Your tongue gets me off. People
sometimes lick my nuts. What am I?
3. I assist an erection. Sometimes big balls hang from me. I'm
called a big swinger. What am I?
4. Over 1,000 people went down on me. I wasn't a maiden for long.
A big hard thing ripped me open. What am I?
5. You stick your poles inside me. You tie me down to get me up.
I get wet before you do. What am I?
6. When I go in I cause pain. I cause you to spit and ask you not
to swallow. I can fill your hole. What am I?
7. A finger goes in me. You fiddle with me when you're bored. The
best man always has me first. What am I?
8. All day long, it's in and out. I discharge loads from my shaft.
Both men and women go down on me. What am I?
9. I go in hard. I come out soft. You blow me hard. What am I?
10. If I miss, I hit your bush. It's my job to stuff your box.
When I come, it's news. What am I?
11. I offer Protection. I get the finger ten times. You use your
fingers to get me off. What am I?
12. I have a stiff shaft. My tip penetrates. I come with a quiver.
What am I?
13. My business is briefs. I am a cunning linguist. I plead and
plead for it. What am I?
1. - A Nose -
2. - Peanut Butter -
3. - A Crane -
4. - The Titanic -
5. - A Tent -
6. - A Dentist -
7. - A Wedding Ring -
8. - An Elevator -
9. - Chewing Gum -
10. - A Newspaper Boy -
11. - A Glove -
12. - An Arrow -
13. - An Attorney -
After the completion of The Interrogation, and all of The Four Sublime
Questions are presented and answered by the candidate, the presiding officer
asks all the Turtles present to vote on whether the candidate should be
admitted into their ranks as a Brother or Sister Turtle. The Turtles step
aside from the candidate and hold a conclave. There is much grumbling and
whispering in the circle, and finally, they agree to admit the candidate.
The circle is re-formed around the candidate, and they are advised by the
"Candidate, you have been found worthy and well-qualified for membership
in our Order. By the authority invested in me by the Ancient and Honorable
Order of Turtles, I shall now invest you with the sign, grip, and passwords of
the Order, which you shall divulge to no one except duly initiated
Turtles. As a
Brother (or Sister) Turtle, know ye that all Turtles are your brethren.
When asked the password by a Brother or Sister Turtle, and you fail to give
the proper response in its entirety, you shall forfeit to that Turtle a
beverage of their choice. If you ask a Brother or Sister Turtle the
password, and they
fail to give you the password in its entirety, they shall forfeit to you a
beverage of your choice. As a new Brother (or Sister) Turtle, I welcome you
into the Order, and by this sign, grip, and password, identify yourself to
each Brother and Sister in this circle."
The new Brother or Sister Turtle then goes around the circle of new friends,
and gives the sign, handclasp and password to each.
The next candidate is then called upon to join, and the procedure is commenced
There are seven (7) degrees in
the Ancient and Honorable Order of Turtles, in that there are:
Candidate - a person invited
to become a Turtle;
Turtle - a Brother or Sister
member duly initiated into the Order;
Snapping Turtle - A Brother
or Sister Turtle who has personally initiated 25 new Turtles;
Grand Snapping Turtle - A
Brother or Sister Turtle who has initiated 50 or more Turtles;
Imperial Turtle - A Brother
or Sister Turtle who has initiated 100 or more Turtles;
Past Imperial Turtle - A
Brother or Sister who has initiated at least 150 new Turtles into the
Master Imperial Turtle - A Brother or Sister who has initiated at least
500 new Turtles into the Order.
The Supreme Imperial
Turtle Emeritus of the Ancient and Honorable Order of Turtles is more of an
honorific title, and is the poor soul who strives to keep his Daddy's old
World War II drinking club alive. As my good old Dad, the late Captain Hugh
P. McGowan, U.S. Army Air Corps/U.S. Air Force Reserve (Ret.) and first
Supreme Imperial Turtle of the Ancient and Honorable Order of Turtles, told
me why he and several pilots of the U.S. Army Air Corps 8th Air Force
founded the Ancient and Honorable Order of Turtles in a pub while stationed
in England during the Second World War:
flying daytime bombing missions over Hitler's Third Reich. We just wanted
a little fun. We had seen a sign showing that the 'Ancient Order of
Foresters' and the 'Royal Antedeluvian Order of Buffalos' would meet in
the local pub, and so I asked the governor of the pub what was that all
about? The pub's governor told us that the clubs' local branches would
meet in the pub's back room, and that he would give them reduced prices
for their pints and drinks for holding their meetings at his pub. I asked
him if our club could meet there, and he agreed, and asked for the name of
our club. I told him that we were the 'Ancient and Honorable Order of
Turtles,' and it stuck.
I devised the name 'Ancient and Honorable Order of Turtles' for the fun
of it. It soon spread throughout the bomber pilots, then the fighter
pilots, and soon to other bombing groups and squadrons, and to other air
bases. We even initiated members of the other Services, and soon, even
Allied pilots were being initiated as Turtles in the backrooms of pubs
The Order was not meant to be serious, as it had no constitution or
by-laws, no formal applications for membership, no dues or fees, and a
simple initiation ritual. It was a relief from the horrors and dangers we
saw every day on our missions. It spread after the War through the VFW and
American Legion posts, and eventually, to colleges and even to the high
schools of the U.S.A."
Now, some Turtle history about an
astronaut who was asked the question, "Are you a Turtle," Brother
Walter "Wally" Schirra (March 12, 1923 - May 3, 2007).
Brother Schirra, a U.S. Navy Captain and Naval Aviator who flew 90 combat
missions during the Korean War, was asked the famous question if he was a
Brother Schirra's Mercury flight, when a fellow astronaut and Turtle,
Brother Donald Kent "Deke" Slayton (March 1, 1924 - June 13, 1993), a U.S.
Air Force Captain who had flown 56 combat missions during World War II,
had radioed up to Brother Schirra asking Brother Schirra if he was a
Turtle. The entire world would have heard Brother Schirra's response, so
he switched off the radio speaker when he replied, in order to avoid the
penalty of having to purchase a drink for all Turtles within earshot, and
to avoid providing what might have been interpreted as a crude answer.
Brother Schirra got even with Brother Slayton during Apollo 7's flight,
when he wrote "Deke Slayton, are you a Turtle?" on a
large object in front of the cameras for the NASA Public Affairs Officer,
Brother Paul P. Haney, the "Voice of Mission Control," and Brother Slayton
Brother Deke Slayton's Turtle membership card and pin were auctioned off
for $290.00 on April 22, 2006.
Brother John F. Kennedy
(May 29, 1917 - November 22, 1963), the thirty-fifth Present of the United
States of America, was also a famous Brother Turtle. When asked by a
reporter at a press conference if he was a Turtle, Brother
Kennedy responded: "I"ll buy you your drink later."
The Harry Klitzner Company in Rhode Island offers a selection of Turtle lapel
pins, tie tacs, earrings, and auto decals, as well as membership cards, and
even has a Shriner Turtle pin! Click on the link below to order your
If anyone is a Brother or Sister Turtle, and wishes to learn the grip and sign
(if their branch has lost it or forgotten to utilize it), they may e-mail me
and I will be delighted to provide them (as long as you provide the Order's
password in full when you first e-mail me) to you.
God bless America, and God bless the Order of Turtles!
Brother Denis P. McGowan
Turtle (Emeritus) -
Ancient and Honorable Order of Turtles
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The Shriner Turtle Pin shown
above was donated to our museum by Carol Kennedy from California! Thank
You Carol for letting us display your cute little turtle!
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